Mika: Thanks again for the lengthy and thoughtful reply. I clearly understand your position on the matter that you’ve stated eloquently above, as I’ve been listening to and reading your work for nearly 2 years now.
Let’s try a different route. Hypothetically, let’s say Dr. Lanka’s findings are correct for a moment. That it doesn’t matter whether you add to the viral culturing mix: the urine of a person with Covid, or the blood of someone with ebola, or the saliva of someone with the flu, or the mucus of someone with zika —- that this is a complete and utter waste of time — a pointless step —- as it’s undoubtedly the antibiotics that are killing the vero cell culture tissue — not some alleged virus in the bodily fluids.
If Lanka is correct, as we’re hypothetically assuming so for the moment, what do you suppose modern virologists think they’re seeing after “culturing a virus” exactly? It’s abundantly clear that they’re making no efforts to “isolate” anything after their toxic brew is cooked up as there is never any mention of it in the methods section of their papers.
I’m genuinely curious what you think it could be (if Lanka is correct)? I have no doubt that the lab workers and researchers are genuinely seeing/finding “something” on their smears, I just can’t imagine what they thing it is exactly?
Now, if you think Lanka is wrong, and you believe there are viruses running rampant through the sick person’s body and thus, in their fluids, how do you explain his apparent findings that the diseased bodily fluids played zero role in the cytopathic disintegration of the green monkey kidney cells?
Thanks in advance for your thoughtful input!
Jeff Green: The reason I brought up isolation and felt it worth discussing is because there are so many I have personally read, whether through emails I have received all over the world, or from comments I have read, that seem to conclude viruses do not exist because most have not met the requirements of being ‘fully’ isolated—which usually means fully, as in 100%. Or, that it has not fulfilled Koch’s postulates, which is that it must be shown to cause disease; many of them not knowing that Koch’s postulates was designed solely for bacteria and that Koch’s postulates is not used for viruses unless it is a modified form of those postulates. This is another area that is misunderstood by many people.
My larger point is that isolation is not the be-all end all to whether something like a virus exists, and that it is an error to claim it is.
What these scientists are looking at is the result of cell breakdowns that happen in all cellular life when outside of the body, or exposed to some level of toxin—be that metal salts, artificial serums, and fluids, and so forth. A cell, being outside its natural habitat, will starve. Because of their doctrine of Germ Theory which they adhere to, they do not question the validity of what they are seeing—only that they are seeing it in the presence of cell breakdown, therefore it must be responsible for it. Herein lies the deception, and possibly a high degree of misunderstanding. The act of merely seeing something in the same vicinity and automatically claiming it causes disease is entirely incorrect. And that is what they are doing, more or less. I do believe Lanka has expressed this as well. The point of contention is that these are not merely cellular breakdowns with no purpose inside the body. There is intelligence there.
To address your last question: The Vero cells would not be attacked by any viral tissue per se. That diseased tissue will only act as waste debris—as any other toxin would—not as some naturally occurring virus. There must be a cohesive act by a whole body. For instance, if you take the whole body into account, the virus will be guided via RNA by white blood cells after having been created by cells. In a petri-dish environment, none of this will occur. If you add a toxin into the cellular environment, that toxin will likely degenerate the cellular fluid and the tissues of the cell causing its eventual death. As this decay occurs, that cell may begin to produce its own solvent protein (called virus). This protein will be excreted by the cell to clean itself and its surroundings, but it will be unregulated and may dissolve the entire cell. Compound that with toxic serums, and the cell will surely die. Also, without some communication system between other cells, the virus will stay static and not be able to move around. White blood cells guide the virus through the fluid of the body utilizing Zeta Potential (static charge). *Experiment:* Place your finger in water with dust floating on top and observe how your finger will repel the dust as you move it forward. This is the same principle working in the body with regard to viruses and other agents.
Further, cells can not really exist in singular forms for very long, that is, they must have more than one cell to survive and be kept stable. They can only survive on their own outside the body for so long. In those environments, there is no excretory system available to the cell. Thus, toxins have nowhere to go even if dissolved by the viral solvent. There are no organs, no sweat, bowel, kidney, liver, respiratory system, or white blood cells, or any other regulating and cleansing cells available to take that matter and expel it away from the cell and out of the body.
Scientists take already diseased cells from unnatural origin, such as ‘immortal’ HeLa cells, which are cancerous, or Vero cells extracted many decades ago. They place them in fertile petri dish solutions with toxic solutions to keep them alive. Because of the state of those cells, they elicit quicker reactions and quicker results for researchers. They take that dish and ‘incubate’ it for up to 72 hours until ripe. They then observe that the cells have degenerated and dissolved, thus, the viral tissue placed along with the cell is confirmed as the culprit. In reality, since they are not actively seeing the virus do these things itself, they are assuming that the virus is causing the infection, and therefore the cell death. In reality, the virus is unregulated and is dissolving the cell and breaking it down further by cleansing it. That’s what a virus does naturally by itself. When you have toxic tissue, that tissue must be dissolved to maintain cell stability. If the entire cell is toxic, the virus may dissolve the entire cell. In the human body, this rarely ever happens. If so, viruses would dissolve every healthy cell in your body and you’d die every time you develop a virus.
They take the contents of the dish and it is then filtered using a filter the size of 0.22 µm. Anything smaller than this passes through the filter along with the virus, so there is leeway for a small amount of contamination. It is then placed in a tube by carefully hand layering each part utilizing a syringe—laying each part of the mixture on top of the other in a liquid base (density gradient). That tube is then placed into a centrifuge and spun at an optimized and exact rate needed to separate each object into sediment layers called bands. The middle band will usually contain the viral particle due to their weight and density. The band is extracted by inserting a pipette needle into the side of the tube at each level of the band which contains the mixture they want to extract. This is deemed an isolate. So, indeed, the isolate may contain viral particles, and in fact, be isolated. But this does not prove its infectiousness.